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Poll: First vs Last (41 member(s) have cast votes)

Which album do you enjoy more?

  1. Rush (10 votes [24.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.39%

  2. Clockwork Angels (31 votes [75.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.61%

Which is your favorite tune off both albums?

  1. Finding My Way (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Need Some Love (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Take A Friend (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Here Again (6 votes [14.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.63%

  5. What You're Doing (1 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  6. In The Mood (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Before And After (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Working Man (3 votes [7.32%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.32%

  9. Caravan (2 votes [4.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  10. BU2B (2 votes [4.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  11. Clockwork Angels (4 votes [9.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.76%

  12. The Anarchist (8 votes [19.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.51%

  13. Carnies (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  14. Halo Effect (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Seven Cities of Gold (1 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  16. The Wreckers (1 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  17. Headlong Flight (6 votes [14.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.63%

  18. BU2B2 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  19. Wish Them Well (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  20. The Garden (7 votes [17.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.07%

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#61 JohnnyBlaze

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:17 AM

View PostTexas King, on 08 February 2017 - 08:02 AM, said:

I am so glad to see that debut is easily losing this one!
Does it matter? It'd make me just as happy (or sad) to see hamburgers (which I like) lose to tacos (which I like).

Mainly, I wanted to see the boards opinions/results. But I don't see how either way would make you happy.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:51 PM

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Johnny Blaze plays the celestial harp, and interestingly, the celeste.

I'm a fan of the ondes martenot myself, and the sneng. I really want to get an electric sneng, but should focus on the acoustic first, just to get my technique together.
Here's my sneng-hero, Khmer E. Wanna:
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Wasn't/Isn't Mama Celeste a frozen pizza company? I could use some of her pizza right about now.
That's a lie. You want a Cambodian pizza right about now. You can add 'liar' to your list of dubious achievements.
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I thought that was somehow understood with the previous theoretical truth of me being sarcastic and arrogant.

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Noted, you figurative bastard, you! :cheers:
See, I'm such a bastard that I neglect other definitions. Or is the neglect due to my arrogance?

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 01:00 PM

View PostTexas King, on 08 February 2017 - 08:02 AM, said:

I am so glad to see that debut is easily losing this one!

A mild defense of the debut:
The debut is the only place where you can hear a Rush drummer who can 'swing'. Rutsey: "Here Again" = awesome feel.
NP's attempts at jazziness are...attempts.
The debut is a fun listen, and sounds great in the car. CA not as fun, sounds kinda sh!tty, production-wise.
Also, the debut did not spawn a terrible book...;)
On the plus side, the CA cd looks great under my drink!

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 02:04 PM

View Postgoose, on 08 February 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 08 February 2017 - 04:59 AM, said:

View PostFridge, on 08 February 2017 - 04:44 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 07 February 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

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View Postvaportrailer, on 07 February 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

Johnny Blaze plays the celestial harp, and interestingly, the celeste.

I'm a fan of the ondes martenot myself, and the sneng. I really want to get an electric sneng, but should focus on the acoustic first, just to get my technique together.
Here's my sneng-hero, Khmer E. Wanna:
Posted Image

Wasn't/Isn't Mama Celeste a frozen pizza company? I could use some of her pizza right about now.
That's a lie. You want a Cambodian pizza right about now. You can add 'liar' to your list of dubious achievements.
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I thought that was somehow understood with the previous theoretical truth of me being sarcastic and arrogant.

[Note: the previous bastard accusation has no clout as my parents were legally wed at the time of my conception.]

Noted, you figurative bastard, you! :cheers:
See, I'm such a bastard that I neglect other definitions. Or is the neglect due to my arrogance?

Are you an alter?
I'm an alter altar of an altar.
Altar boy?  Well I guess we now know what instrument you play.

The pink oboe.......

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:09 PM

Clockwork Angels

Title track closely followed by Working Man.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:13 PM

View Postgoose, on 08 February 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

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View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 07 February 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 07 February 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

Johnny Blaze plays the celestial harp, and interestingly, the celeste.

I'm a fan of the ondes martenot myself, and the sneng. I really want to get an electric sneng, but should focus on the acoustic first, just to get my technique together.
Here's my sneng-hero, Khmer E. Wanna:
Posted Image

Wasn't/Isn't Mama Celeste a frozen pizza company? I could use some of her pizza right about now.
That's a lie. You want a Cambodian pizza right about now. You can add 'liar' to your list of dubious achievements.
Helpfully,
vt
I thought that was somehow understood with the previous theoretical truth of me being sarcastic and arrogant.

[Note: the previous bastard accusation has no clout as my parents were legally wed at the time of my conception.]

Noted, you figurative bastard, you! :cheers:
See, I'm such a bastard that I neglect other definitions. Or is the neglect due to my arrogance?

Are you an alter?
I'm an alter altar of an altar.
Altar boy?  Well I guess we now know what instrument you play.
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Posted 08 February 2017 - 07:42 PM

View PostSteve Smith, on 07 February 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

Rather really pathetic

Did you get an audition for the Simpsons Johnny?

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Edited by Lucas, 08 February 2017 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:11 PM

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View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 07 February 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 07 February 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

Johnny Blaze plays the celestial harp, and interestingly, the celeste.

I'm a fan of the ondes martenot myself, and the sneng. I really want to get an electric sneng, but should focus on the acoustic first, just to get my technique together.
Here's my sneng-hero, Khmer E. Wanna:
Posted Image

Wasn't/Isn't Mama Celeste a frozen pizza company? I could use some of her pizza right about now.
That's a lie. You want a Cambodian pizza right about now. You can add 'liar' to your list of dubious achievements.
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I thought that was somehow understood with the previous theoretical truth of me being sarcastic and arrogant.

[Note: the previous bastard accusation has no clout as my parents were legally wed at the time of my conception.]

Noted, you figurative bastard, you! :cheers:
See, I'm such a bastard that I neglect other definitions. Or is the neglect due to my arrogance?

Are you an alter?
I'm an alter altar of an altar.
Altar boy?  Well I guess we now know what instrument you play.
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Posted 10 February 2017 - 03:24 AM

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View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 07 February 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 07 February 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

Johnny Blaze plays the celestial harp, and interestingly, the celeste.

I'm a fan of the ondes martenot myself, and the sneng. I really want to get an electric sneng, but should focus on the acoustic first, just to get my technique together.
Here's my sneng-hero, Khmer E. Wanna:
Posted Image

Wasn't/Isn't Mama Celeste a frozen pizza company? I could use some of her pizza right about now.
That's a lie. You want a Cambodian pizza right about now. You can add 'liar' to your list of dubious achievements.
Helpfully,
vt
I thought that was somehow understood with the previous theoretical truth of me being sarcastic and arrogant.

[Note: the previous bastard accusation has no clout as my parents were legally wed at the time of my conception.]

Noted, you figurative bastard, you! :cheers:
See, I'm such a bastard that I neglect other definitions. Or is the neglect due to my arrogance?

Are you an alter?
I'm an alter altar of an altar.
Altar boy?  Well I guess we now know what instrument you play.
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It's amok time, people!!!

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 03:46 AM

Rush

Working Man

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 07:27 AM

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Rush

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The new Miley Cyrus cover "Twerkin' Man" is pretty good.
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Posted 10 February 2017 - 10:47 AM

As a member of the '70s Rush rules, everything else is crap' club, I did have to vote for Clockwork Angels.  Such a great album.  It is still fresh in my mind after so many plays since its release.

But, in a few years, the honeymoon period of loving the new album will be gone, and I will probably switch my vote back to the debut.

I wonder what instruments Johnny B plays.  It might influence my vote on this.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 11:01 AM

View Postapetersvt, on 10 February 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

As a member of the '70s Rush rules, everything else is crap' club, I did have to vote for Clockwork Angels.  Such a great album.  It is still fresh in my mind after so many plays since its release.

But, in a few years, the honeymoon period of loving the new album will be gone, and I will probably switch my vote back to the debut.

I wonder what instruments Johnny B plays.  It might influence my vote on this.

As I said somewhere earlier in this thread, check my profile. :)

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 11:04 AM

View PostBabycat, on 10 February 2017 - 03:46 AM, said:

Rush

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Same votes as me.

It's like we're the same person.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:09 PM

You've made me reboot this thread Johnny! How arrogant of you! :P

CA blows debut out of the water. The guys may not have their youth and novelty on their side, but they do have and reinvigorated Neil (as lyricist and as drummer), the best most creative music they'd written in years (and I mean years and years), and an entertaining concept to boot (plus someone said there was a lack of solos, you have this confused with VT, many killer solos are to be found buried in the bad production). Yeah, the production is kinda blah, but everything else is top shelf Rush. Like 4 songs on the debut match or the majority of this material, and only like two of those surpass much of anything here.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:18 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 06 March 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

You've made me reboot this thread Johnny! How arrogant of you! :P

CA blows debut out of the water. The guys may not have their youth and novelty on their side, but they do have and reinvigorated Neil (as lyricist and as drummer), the best most creative music they'd written in years (and I mean years and years), and an entertaining concept to boot (plus someone said there was a lack of solos, you have this confused with VT, many killer solos are to be found buried in the bad production). Yeah, the production is kinda blah, but everything else is top shelf Rush. Like 4 songs on the debut match or the majority of this material, and only like two of those surpass much of anything here.

What do you think is the closest album, in terms of year of release, that beats Angels? I assume it’s not Snakes or Vapor Trails.

P.S. I mind-controlled you to bump this thread!...or, at least, that’s what Steve Smith would’ve said. I’m deranged with telepathic powers if you didn’t already know.

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Edited by JohnnyBlaze, 06 March 2018 - 09:20 PM.


#77 Entre_Perpetuo

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 12:23 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 06 March 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 06 March 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

You've made me reboot this thread Johnny! How arrogant of you! :P

CA blows debut out of the water. The guys may not have their youth and novelty on their side, but they do have and reinvigorated Neil (as lyricist and as drummer), the best most creative music they'd written in years (and I mean years and years), and an entertaining concept to boot (plus someone said there was a lack of solos, you have this confused with VT, many killer solos are to be found buried in the bad production). Yeah, the production is kinda blah, but everything else is top shelf Rush. Like 4 songs on the debut match or the majority of this material, and only like two of those surpass much of anything here.

What do you think is the closest album, in terms of year of release, that beats Angels? I assume it’s not Snakes or Vapor Trails.

P.S. I mind-controlled you to bump this thread!...or, at least, that’s what Steve Smith would’ve said. I’m deranged with telepathic powers if you didn’t already know.

Signed,
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The last album that comes close going backwards was Power Windows, and the last one that definitely beats CA going backwards is Signals.

Classic. And you cannot brainwash me to think otherwise! :P

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 12:41 AM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 07 March 2018 - 12:23 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 06 March 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 06 March 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

You've made me reboot this thread Johnny! How arrogant of you! :P

CA blows debut out of the water. The guys may not have their youth and novelty on their side, but they do have and reinvigorated Neil (as lyricist and as drummer), the best most creative music they'd written in years (and I mean years and years), and an entertaining concept to boot (plus someone said there was a lack of solos, you have this confused with VT, many killer solos are to be found buried in the bad production). Yeah, the production is kinda blah, but everything else is top shelf Rush. Like 4 songs on the debut match or the majority of this material, and only like two of those surpass much of anything here.

What do you think is the closest album, in terms of year of release, that beats Angels? I assume it’s not Snakes or Vapor Trails.

P.S. I mind-controlled you to bump this thread!...or, at least, that’s what Steve Smith would’ve said. I’m deranged with telepathic powers if you didn’t already know.

Signed,
Doctor Brainwash

The last album that comes close going backwards was Power Windows, and the last one that definitely beats CA going backwards is Signals.

Classic. And you cannot brainwash me to think otherwise! :P

For me, Angels is probably the album with the biggest difference between its best and worst stuff. The two best being The Anarchist and Headlong Flight, both highly enjoyable songs. The two worst, Wish Them Well and Halo Effect, are boring at best. When Angels is good it’s excellent, but when it’s bad it’s terrible imho. That album is all over the place like that for me.

I brainwashed you into giving your honest opinion. Additionally, I brainwashed you into thinking I cannot brainwash you. :P

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 01:05 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 07 March 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 07 March 2018 - 12:23 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 06 March 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 06 March 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

You've made me reboot this thread Johnny! How arrogant of you! :P

CA blows debut out of the water. The guys may not have their youth and novelty on their side, but they do have and reinvigorated Neil (as lyricist and as drummer), the best most creative music they'd written in years (and I mean years and years), and an entertaining concept to boot (plus someone said there was a lack of solos, you have this confused with VT, many killer solos are to be found buried in the bad production). Yeah, the production is kinda blah, but everything else is top shelf Rush. Like 4 songs on the debut match or the majority of this material, and only like two of those surpass much of anything here.

What do you think is the closest album, in terms of year of release, that beats Angels? I assume it’s not Snakes or Vapor Trails.

P.S. I mind-controlled you to bump this thread!...or, at least, that’s what Steve Smith would’ve said. I’m deranged with telepathic powers if you didn’t already know.

Signed,
Doctor Brainwash

The last album that comes close going backwards was Power Windows, and the last one that definitely beats CA going backwards is Signals.

Classic. And you cannot brainwash me to think otherwise! :P

For me, Angels is probably the album with the biggest difference between its best and worst stuff. The two best being The Anarchist and Headlong Flight, both highly enjoyable songs. The two worst, Wish Them Well and Halo Effect, are boring at best. When Angels is good it’s excellent, but when it’s bad it’s terrible imho. That album is all over the place like that for me.

I brainwashed you into giving your honest opinion. Additionally, I brainwashed you into thinking I cannot brainwash you. :P

This tomfoolery brainwashing has got to stop! I refuse to believe Earl is my dad! :lol:

As I was like 13 when I first heard it, I really enjoyed Halo Effect. Definitely pulled my young, gullible heartstrings. Wish Them Well and BU2B2 are the only real clunkers on there for me. Even back then I could tell there was a significant drop in quality on those two tracks. I agree Anarchist and Headlong are among it's obvious frontrunners, but I also put the title track, The Garden, and Caravan up there, with a solid B to A range of tracks consisting of BU2B, Carnies, SSOG, and of course The Wreckers (have I missed any? it is a little long too...).

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 01:15 AM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 07 March 2018 - 01:05 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 07 March 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 07 March 2018 - 12:23 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 06 March 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 06 March 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

You've made me reboot this thread Johnny! How arrogant of you! :P

CA blows debut out of the water. The guys may not have their youth and novelty on their side, but they do have and reinvigorated Neil (as lyricist and as drummer), the best most creative music they'd written in years (and I mean years and years), and an entertaining concept to boot (plus someone said there was a lack of solos, you have this confused with VT, many killer solos are to be found buried in the bad production). Yeah, the production is kinda blah, but everything else is top shelf Rush. Like 4 songs on the debut match or the majority of this material, and only like two of those surpass much of anything here.

What do you think is the closest album, in terms of year of release, that beats Angels? I assume it’s not Snakes or Vapor Trails.

P.S. I mind-controlled you to bump this thread!...or, at least, that’s what Steve Smith would’ve said. I’m deranged with telepathic powers if you didn’t already know.

Signed,
Doctor Brainwash

The last album that comes close going backwards was Power Windows, and the last one that definitely beats CA going backwards is Signals.

Classic. And you cannot brainwash me to think otherwise! :P

For me, Angels is probably the album with the biggest difference between its best and worst stuff. The two best being The Anarchist and Headlong Flight, both highly enjoyable songs. The two worst, Wish Them Well and Halo Effect, are boring at best. When Angels is good it’s excellent, but when it’s bad it’s terrible imho. That album is all over the place like that for me.

I brainwashed you into giving your honest opinion. Additionally, I brainwashed you into thinking I cannot brainwash you. :P

This tomfoolery brainwashing has got to stop! I refuse to believe Earl is my dad! :lol:

As I was like 13 when I first heard it, I really enjoyed Halo Effect. Definitely pulled my young, gullible heartstrings. Wish Them Well and BU2B2 are the only real clunkers on there for me. Even back then I could tell there was a significant drop in quality on those two tracks. I agree Anarchist and Headlong are among it's obvious frontrunners, but I also put the title track, The Garden, and Caravan up there, with a solid B to A range of tracks consisting of BU2B, Carnies, SSOG, and of course The Wreckers (have I missed any? it is a little long too...).

I forgot about BU2B2 actually. But it would complete my trifecta of badness from CA. The other two being, as I said, Wish Them Well & Halo Effect.

The trifecta of goodness would be the aforementioned The Anarchist & Headlong Flight plus Clockwork Angels.

Everything else would be decent, passable, or forgettable. But even within some of those songs I feel pieces are really cool and other snippets are static.

Oh, when I was 13 the new album was Power Windows. And I liked it immediately. I still like it a lot. And yeah, I’d say it’s definitely better than Angels.


Earl has mentioned many times before that his son is his pug, Earl IV. I’m just going to leave that there alongside your earlier dad comment. :hail:

Edited by JohnnyBlaze, 07 March 2018 - 01:17 AM.





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