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Poll: Buddy Rich vs Neil Peart? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

Buddy Rich vs Neil Peart?

  1. Buddy Rich (8 votes [42.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.11%

  2. Neil Peart (11 votes [57.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.89%

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM

Joe Morello, really?

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 12:40 PM

I don't know much about drumming training but I am certain Ricki Rockett of Poison never had 1 lesson

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 12:56 PM

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Joe Morello, really?

Oh yes! What he could do was scary.
Speed, technique, musicality - Joe had it all, plus he did some great work with odd-times, and making them sound musical (Take 5, Blue Rondo Ala Turk, Unsquare Dance etc).

The cool thing about Joe was that he wasn't a show-off, so no stick twirling, but he could play some stupidly amazing things, and look as relaxed as if he was reading the paper.

Unbelievable technique. Then again, he studied and worked hard at it.

Morello also wrote a couple of very challenging technical exercise books (Master Studies I and II), for those who might be interested.

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 01:14 PM

This thread was doomed to failure before it even started.

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 01:28 PM

View Postvaportrailer, on 12 December 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Joe Morello, really?

Oh yes! What he could do was scary.
Speed, technique, musicality - Joe had it all, plus he did some great work with odd-times, and making them sound musical (Take 5, Blue Ronda Alla Turk, Unsquare Dance etc).

The cool thing about Joe was that he wasn't a show-off, so no stick twirling, but he could play some stupidly amazing things, and look as relaxed as if he was reading the paper.

Unbelievable technique. Then again, he studied and worked hard at it.

Morello also wrote a couple of very challenging technical exercise books (Master Studies I and II), for those who might be interested.

Take Five is a classic, and I love a lot of Brubeck...but never really paid attention to the drumming as a standout feature of that band.

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 04:14 PM

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 12 December 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Joe Morello, really?

Oh yes! What he could do was scary.
Speed, technique, musicality - Joe had it all, plus he did some great work with odd-times, and making them sound musical (Take 5, Blue Ronda Alla Turk, Unsquare Dance etc).

The cool thing about Joe was that he wasn't a show-off, so no stick twirling, but he could play some stupidly amazing things, and look as relaxed as if he was reading the paper.

Unbelievable technique. Then again, he studied and worked hard at it.

Morello also wrote a couple of very challenging technical exercise books (Master Studies I and II), for those who might be interested.

Take Five is a classic, and I love a lot of Brubeck...but never really paid attention to the drumming as a standout feature of that band.

Morello can be so subtle, and everything sounds so effortless, it's easy to overlook him at times. Check out some of the live stuff (Carnegie Hall Concert for example), or just go to YouTube. Lotsa stuff on there!



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Posted 12 December 2016 - 09:06 PM

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View PostTexas King, on 12 December 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:



This is a obvious reason why is Rich (who is in his 60s in this video) SUPERIOR to Neil.

That YouTube clip didn't work for me. It said it wasn't available in this country (U.S.). Texas King, where are you from?

This one should work for those who can't play the original:



I just realized that the above video that I posted is a joke. It's part of a series of "SHREDS" clips where audio of very bad playing is dubbed onto a performance video. I can't seem to find the legit version of this drum solo.

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Posted 12 December 2016 - 11:49 PM

When it comes to dexterity, speed, power, musicality and pure natural ability nobody...NOBODY...will top Buddy Rich.

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Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:25 AM

View Post1-0-0-1-0-0-1, on 12 December 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

Any poll pitting any drummer against Buddy Rich isn't fair, regardless of style or genre.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 03:44 PM

Today I watched a few Buddy Rich's videos and objectively he could easily kick Peart's and Bonham's asses anytime.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:07 PM

View Postvaportrailer, on 21 June 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:



re: J Bonham, B Rich almost plays the "Poor Tom" beat here around 3:35. :lol:
and my god that drum roll that he starts about a minute after...whoa nelly!

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:12 PM

Can I skip them both and go straight to Tony F****n Williams please? :)

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:19 PM

View PostMystic Slipperman, on 21 June 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

Can I skip them both and go straight to Tony F****n Williams please? :)

Especially for you!



and just stumbled across this:



Tony Williams footage has been tricky to find on YouTube at times, hopefully these links stay up for a while.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:49 PM

haha! Thanks!

I mean, I love Buddy and Peart, but Tony is my man. Gawd, could he play!!

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:40 PM

Neil Peart, but Buddy Rich is still an amazing drummer no doubt.

I agree with 73 this thread is unfair.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:57 PM

View PostAnthemic, on 12 December 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

...no one can state absolutely who is a "better" drummer, only who THEY, PERSONALLY think is better, i.e., prefer!  there are no valid objective standards for determining who is BETTER,...
Nonsense.  Rich was more skilled by many objective measurements, and there's no need to list them.

Let's not confuse "better" with "favorite".

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 10:06 PM

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View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Joe Morello, really?

Oh yes! What he could do was scary.
Speed, technique, musicality - Joe had it all, plus he did some great work with odd-times, and making them sound musical (Take 5, Blue Rondo Ala Turk, Unsquare Dance etc).

The cool thing about Joe was that he wasn't a show-off, so no stick twirling, but he could play some stupidly amazing things, and look as relaxed as if he was reading the paper.

Unbelievable technique. Then again, he studied and worked hard at it.

Morello also wrote a couple of very challenging technical exercise books (Master Studies I and II), for those who might be interested.
Paul Desmond (sax) reportedly nearly quit the Brubeck band because Morello's playing drew so much attention.  The guy was an incredible drummer.

Edited by goose, 21 June 2017 - 10:07 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 10:10 PM

View Postvaportrailer, on 12 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 12 December 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Joe Morello, really?

Oh yes! What he could do was scary.
Speed, technique, musicality - Joe had it all, plus he did some great work with odd-times, and making them sound musical (Take 5, Blue Ronda Alla Turk, Unsquare Dance etc).

The cool thing about Joe was that he wasn't a show-off, so no stick twirling, but he could play some stupidly amazing things, and look as relaxed as if he was reading the paper.

Unbelievable technique. Then again, he studied and worked hard at it.

Morello also wrote a couple of very challenging technical exercise books (Master Studies I and II), for those who might be interested.

Take Five is a classic, and I love a lot of Brubeck...but never really paid attention to the drumming as a standout feature of that band.

Morello can be so subtle, and everything sounds so effortless, it's easy to overlook him at times. Check out some of the live stuff (Carnegie Hall Concert for example), or just go to YouTube. Lotsa stuff on there!


Go to the 33:00 mark and let it play.  Morello pulls off a series of great fills.  As you say, effortless.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:22 PM

View Postgoose, on 21 June 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 12 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 12 December 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 12 December 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Joe Morello, really?

Oh yes! What he could do was scary.
Speed, technique, musicality - Joe had it all, plus he did some great work with odd-times, and making them sound musical (Take 5, Blue Ronda Alla Turk, Unsquare Dance etc).

The cool thing about Joe was that he wasn't a show-off, so no stick twirling, but he could play some stupidly amazing things, and look as relaxed as if he was reading the paper.

Unbelievable technique. Then again, he studied and worked hard at it.

Morello also wrote a couple of very challenging technical exercise books (Master Studies I and II), for those who might be interested.

Take Five is a classic, and I love a lot of Brubeck...but never really paid attention to the drumming as a standout feature of that band.

Morello can be so subtle, and everything sounds so effortless, it's easy to overlook him at times. Check out some of the live stuff (Carnegie Hall Concert for example), or just go to YouTube. Lotsa stuff on there!


Go to the 33:00 mark and let it play.  Morello pulls off a series of great fills.  As you say, effortless.

ha ha! Goose, you devil; the 33:00 mark is the end of the video and those fills are deadly, but silent.
Did you mean the 'trading fours' starting around 6:30? Tasty stuff!

Something from the Burning for Buddy sessions:



(The trading-fours start around 3:25.)

Not only is Joe Morello kicking ass on the drums, but the old blind bastard had to memorize the arrangement, and nailed it in one take (I figure this is the first take because he misses the crash on his right a couple of times and would've fixed it, or adapted, for a second try).
I wonder if Peart has ever mentioned Morello? He should've taken lessons from him, no offense F Gruber.

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