GENESIS VS. YES! GENEYES? From Genesis To Revelation To Heaven & Earth! Calling All Stations!

[ReRushed]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

[bluefox4000]

90125 is just ok.........i mean it's fine. but i can't call it perfection. it's a good pop/prog album

 

Mick

Edited November 30, 2016 by bluefox4000

[RUSHHEAD666]

Thanks to this thread. i feel a Genesis binge coming on.

 

and when when i lie yes and Genesis albums side by side. it really is not even close.

 

Mick

 

Let's try it!

YES vs. From Genesis to Revelation

Time And A Word vs. Tresspass

The Yes Album vs. Nursery Cryme

Fragile vs. Foxtrot

Close To The Edge vs. Selling England By The Pound

Tales From Topographic Oceans vs. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway

Relayer vs. Trick Of The Tail

Going For The One vs. Wind And Wuthering

Tormato vs. ...And Then There Were Three

Drama vs. Duke

90125 vs. ABACAB

Big Generator vs. Genesis

Union vs. Invisible Touch

Talk vs. We Can't Dance

Keys To Ascension (and everything after) vs. Calling All Stations (and the nothing that came after)

 

The metaphor kind of breaks down around the 80s where Genesis' output far surpasses Yes' in number. I haven't heard all of them by either band, but have at it for those who have!

 

 

YES vs. From Genesis to Revelation

 

YES

 

Time And A Word vs. Trespass

 

Time and a Word

 

The Yes Album vs. Nursery Cryme

 

The Yes Album!!

 

Fragile vs. Foxtrot

 

Fragile

 

Close To The Edge vs. Selling England By The Pound

 

CTTE

 

Tales From Topographic Oceans vs. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway

 

The Lamb

 

Relayer vs. Trick Of The Tail

 

Relayer!

 

Going For The One vs. Wind And Wuthering

 

GFTO

 

Tormato vs. ...And Then There Were Three

 

...ATTWT

 

Drama vs. Duke

 

Drama

 

90125 vs. ABACAB

 

90125

 

Big Generator vs. Genesis

 

Genesis

 

Union vs. Invisible Touch

 

Invisible Touch

 

Talk vs. We Can't Dance

 

Talk

 

Keys To Ascension (and everything after) vs. Calling All Stations (and the nothing that came after)

 

Keys

 

 

So I guess it's Yes for me, though I like both bands.

 

That's an amazing breakdown but man you are a YES HOMER!!!!!!!

 

Probably because I came to Yes before Prog era Genesis... I grew up in the 80s so Genesis to me was Misunderstanding, Invisible Touch, etc. Later on I went back and discovered the 70s Genesis. By then Yes was already deep-rooted into my psyche.

 

I totally get it buddy! I totally get it!!! But I'm opposite all of your picks. Though LAMB BLOWS OCEANS AWAY! So we agree there!

 

I am listening to "SECONDS OUT!" The last great Genesis record ever made!!!!!

 

I love being so open on a public forum!! It's just my own opinion right?

 

GENESIS BLOWS YES AWAY!!!!!

 

 

Although "THE YES ALBUM" will always be my favorite YES album.

 

 

"YES" 90125 is an adorable album.

 

I love this thread!

 

I sure we debated YES V GENESIS in the past. Alas.. It's fun to repeat sometimes!!!

 

 

I mean really? "Calling All Stations" destroys ALL YES ALBUMS FROM "DRAMA" TO "KEYS!"

[RUSHHEAD666]

Yes : Genesis = Messi : anyone here playing soccer

 

Hahaha!

 

Hey you "Old" GEEZER!

 

I am so proud!

 

My 19 year old daughter is playing community college soccer this year. They won their conference! First time ever in Diablo Valley College History!

They just ripped through three playoff games and won them all.

 

I am driving down to see Zoe play in the semi-finals on Friday in Ventura!

If they win they play in the FINAL on Sunday!!!!!

 

SO PUMPED!!!

 

I think STEVE HOWE IS QUITE A "MESSI" when it comes to playing guitar solos at an old age.

 

HACKETT BLOWS HOWE AWAY!!!

 

At least Hackett still tours and does the GENESIS REVISITED STUFF!!

 

"Seconds Out" is EPIC.

 

Once Hackett left I will admit I became disheartened.

 

Alas, I can still deal with the Collins shit.

 

However...

 

"Calling All Stations" blows all of the Heckett-less albums away.

 

Yes drives me nuts.

 

I can listen to Genesis for two weeks straight.

 

When I get into a YES mode it only lasts a day.

 

I mean seriously folks.

 

The idiots in the world who rip on Geddy's high vocals? Dumb.

 

Jon Anderson eventually makes me want to put steak knives in my earholes.

 

I remember hearing "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" for the first time.

 

I said to myself...

 

Who is this female lead singer?

 

Or is it really a chick with a dick?

 

Jon Anderson is a Legend. Don't get me wrong.

 

But seriously?

 

Singing about love, unicorns and fairy dust is pretty fuckking weak.

 

GENESIS UNTIL MY GRAVE!

[geezer]

Yes : Genesis = Messi : anyone here playing soccer

 

Hahaha!

 

Hey you "Old" GEEZER!

 

I am so proud!

 

My 19 year old daughter is playing community college soccer this year. They won their conference! First time ever in Diablo Valley College History!

They just ripped through three playoff games and won them all.

 

I am driving down to see Zoe play in the semi-finals on Friday in Ventura!

If they win they play in the FINAL on Sunday!!!!!

 

SO PUMPED!!!

 

I think STEVE HOWE IS QUITE A "MESSI" when it comes to playing guitar solos at an old age.

 

HACKETT BLOWS HOWE AWAY!!!

 

At least Hackett still tours and does the GENESIS REVISITED STUFF!!

 

"Seconds Out" is EPIC.

 

Once Hackett left I will admit I became disheartened.

 

Alas, I can still deal with the Collins shit.

 

However...

 

"Calling All Stations" blows all of the Heckett-less albums away.

 

Yes drives me nuts.

 

I can listen to Genesis for two weeks straight.

 

When I get into a YES mode it only lasts a day.

 

I mean seriously folks.

 

The idiots in the world who rip on Geddy's high vocals? Dumb.

 

Jon Anderson eventually makes me want to put steak knives in my earholes.

 

I remember hearing "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" for the first time.

 

I said to myself...

 

Who is this female lead singer?

 

Or is it really a chick with a dick?

 

Jon Anderson is a Legend. Don't get me wrong.

 

But seriously?

 

Singing about love, unicorns and fairy dust is pretty fuckking weak.

 

GENESIS UNTIL MY GRAVE!

 

I'm pretty sure last time I saw Squire and Wakeman playing there were actually unicorns f*** in' around because we were in another planet!

[RUSHHEAD666]

Yes : Genesis = Messi : anyone here playing soccer

 

Hahaha!

 

Hey you "Old" GEEZER!

 

I am so proud!

 

My 19 year old daughter is playing community college soccer this year. They won their conference! First time ever in Diablo Valley College History!

They just ripped through three playoff games and won them all.

 

I am driving down to see Zoe play in the semi-finals on Friday in Ventura!

If they win they play in the FINAL on Sunday!!!!!

 

SO PUMPED!!!

 

I think STEVE HOWE IS QUITE A "MESSI" when it comes to playing guitar solos at an old age.

 

HACKETT BLOWS HOWE AWAY!!!

 

At least Hackett still tours and does the GENESIS REVISITED STUFF!!

 

"Seconds Out" is EPIC.

 

Once Hackett left I will admit I became disheartened.

 

Alas, I can still deal with the Collins shit.

 

However...

 

"Calling All Stations" blows all of the Heckett-less albums away.

 

Yes drives me nuts.

 

I can listen to Genesis for two weeks straight.

 

When I get into a YES mode it only lasts a day.

 

I mean seriously folks.

 

The idiots in the world who rip on Geddy's high vocals? Dumb.

 

Jon Anderson eventually makes me want to put steak knives in my earholes.

 

I remember hearing "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" for the first time.

 

I said to myself...

 

Who is this female lead singer?

 

Or is it really a chick with a dick?

 

Jon Anderson is a Legend. Don't get me wrong.

 

But seriously?

 

Singing about love, unicorns and fairy dust is pretty fuckking weak.

 

GENESIS UNTIL MY GRAVE!

 

I'm pretty sure last time I saw Squire and Wakeman playing there were actually unicorns f*** in' around because we were in another planet!

 

HAHAHAHA!!!

 

Geezer!

 

I have a funny story for you. I think I told it on here years ago.

 

I saw

 

STYX

YES

KANSAS

 

Like three years ago.

 

I had third row center. The seats were not on flat ground they has a "rise" to them.

Sadly I was looking directly into Chris Squire's black spandex. The dude wasn't wearing any underwear. So "YES" I saw his "twig and berries." His pomp and circumstance? LOL!!!

 

How uncomfortable but hey, it was what it was.

 

Howe was unbearable that night. Just awful. I was thinking he should just retire. This was like three years ago.

 

KANSAS blew that shite YES band away. That lead singer they had probably loved to fukk unicorns underneath warm wonderful golden showers and raspy rainbows! LOL!

 

Of course STYX headlined and RULED!

 

 

TREEDUCK LOVES TO CALL THEM "STYNX!" Classic shit.

 

Doesn't matter.

 

I love STYX!

 

Even Gowan is getting better with old age. Better than Dennis DeOLDD.

 

LOL!

 

 

Wow!

 

A thread about YES GENESIS KANSAS AND STYX!

 

LOVE IT!!!

 

 

I'm not bored at all on here anymore!!!

 

 

"SECONDS OUT" IS KILLER!

 

BLOWS AWAY ANY YES!

[RUSHHEAD666]

There is nowhere else on the earth that I would spend my time typing about prog.

Of course we've done this over and over and over again, but at least once in awhile "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight" one more time does indeed pay progressive slot I mean rock dividends.

 

 

I could type forever somewhere about prog.

 

So why not do it here to bug 73, his admin helpers and people who hate me!

 

PROG ON RUSH SNOBS!

[RUSHHEAD666]

RUSH KNOBS!

 

Signed,

 

Tony R

[Disembodied Spirit]

My Favorite Genesis song

 

Will they sing this on the 2017 reunion tour??

 

[geezer]

Yes : Genesis = Messi : anyone here playing soccer

 

Hahaha!

 

Hey you "Old" GEEZER!

 

I am so proud!

 

My 19 year old daughter is playing community college soccer this year. They won their conference! First time ever in Diablo Valley College History!

They just ripped through three playoff games and won them all.

 

I am driving down to see Zoe play in the semi-finals on Friday in Ventura!

If they win they play in the FINAL on Sunday!!!!!

 

SO PUMPED!!!

 

I think STEVE HOWE IS QUITE A "MESSI" when it comes to playing guitar solos at an old age.

 

HACKETT BLOWS HOWE AWAY!!!

 

At least Hackett still tours and does the GENESIS REVISITED STUFF!!

 

"Seconds Out" is EPIC.

 

Once Hackett left I will admit I became disheartened.

 

Alas, I can still deal with the Collins shit.

 

However...

 

"Calling All Stations" blows all of the Heckett-less albums away.

 

Yes drives me nuts.

 

I can listen to Genesis for two weeks straight.

 

When I get into a YES mode it only lasts a day.

 

I mean seriously folks.

 

The idiots in the world who rip on Geddy's high vocals? Dumb.

 

Jon Anderson eventually makes me want to put steak knives in my earholes.

 

I remember hearing "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" for the first time.

 

I said to myself...

 

Who is this female lead singer?

 

Or is it really a chick with a dick?

 

Jon Anderson is a Legend. Don't get me wrong.

 

But seriously?

 

Singing about love, unicorns and fairy dust is pretty fuckking weak.

 

GENESIS UNTIL MY GRAVE!

 

I'm pretty sure last time I saw Squire and Wakeman playing there were actually unicorns f*** in' around because we were in another planet!

 

HAHAHAHA!!!

 

Geezer!

 

I have a funny story for you. I think I told it on here years ago.

 

I saw

 

STYX

YES

KANSAS

 

Like three years ago.

 

I had third row center. The seats were not on flat ground they has a "rise" to them.

Sadly I was looking directly into Chris Squire's black spandex. The dude wasn't wearing any underwear. So "YES" I saw his "twig and berries." His pomp and circumstance? LOL!!!

 

How uncomfortable but hey, it was what it was.

 

Howe was unbearable that night. Just awful. I was thinking he should just retire. This was like three years ago.

 

KANSAS blew that shite YES band away. That lead singer they had probably loved to fukk unicorns underneath warm wonderful golden showers and raspy rainbows! LOL!

 

Of course STYX headlined and RULED!

 

 

TREEDUCK LOVES TO CALL THEM "STYNX!" Classic shit.

 

Doesn't matter.

 

I love STYX!

 

Even Gowan is getting better with old age. Better than Dennis DeOLDD.

 

LOL!

 

 

Wow!

 

A thread about YES GENESIS KANSAS AND STYX!

 

LOVE IT!!!

 

 

I'm not bored at all on here anymore!!!

 

 

"SECONDS OUT" IS KILLER!

 

BLOWS AWAY ANY YES!

 

I usually spend time looking at Chris' other instrument (the one with strings), but whatever....

[Rick N. Backer]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

[ILSnwdog]

Steve Hackett is OK ... But he's never, ever comes close to anything like this

 

 

https://youtu.be/EeZRdd_1b4g

 

Blood On The Rooftops is a beautiful piece, and the guitar is superb ... But Clap is in another league, esp considering Howe would stand up there alone on stage and bang it out like some insane guitar god ( which he is )

 

 

.

 

.

Hackett is too much of a jazz snob for Lucas!

 

TD, you know me all too well

 

Or maybe I should say you know Hackett all too well

What about when they teamed up???

 

Why was GTR such a flop? I actually really enjoy their work.

[Digital Dad]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

 

Drama>Duke>Abacab>90125>Genesis

[Mithrandir]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

Except for ABACAB which is a brilliant album.

[Rick N. Backer]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

Except for ABACAB which is a brilliant album.

 

I still think 90125 is a once in a career type of album, when a band releases solid material and the timing is perfect in terms of the public's reaction.

[ReRushed]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

I think an argument to the contrary can be made. Of course, opinions will keep the debate in a stalemate.

[ReRushed]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

Except for ABACAB which is a brilliant album.

Duke and Genesis also have their brilliant moments.

[Rick N. Backer]

yes in the 80's was adorable.

 

i just get vibes of look guys......we're hip. lol

 

Of course i get those same vibes from a majority of Invisable Touch, lol

 

Mick

 

Although 90125 is really a masterpiece. Collins era Genesis is an improvement over Gabriel era, but I don't think they ever nailed it the way Yes did with 90125. Lightning in a bottle.

Starting with Duke up through Invisible Touch Genesis balanced their prog foundation with their pop direction brilliantly. Yes did it with one album.

 

None of their albums during that stretch are the equal of 90125 though.

I think an argument to the contrary can be made. Of course, opinions will keep the debate in a stalemate.

 

Right. Since there's no way to objectively state, for example, that any of Genesis' albums are brilliant. Or Yes' for that matter.

[Wil1972]

I think we can all objectively state that The Yes Album is brilliant! :haz:

[treeduck]

Steve Hackett is OK ... But he's never, ever comes close to anything like this

 

 

https://youtu.be/EeZRdd_1b4g

 

Blood On The Rooftops is a beautiful piece, and the guitar is superb ... But Clap is in another league, esp considering Howe would stand up there alone on stage and bang it out like some insane guitar god ( which he is )

 

 

.

 

.

Hackett is too much of a jazz snob for Lucas!

 

TD, you know me all too well

 

Or maybe I should say you know Hackett all too well

What about when they teamed up???

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARERFbiqCfk

Why was GTR such a flop? I actually really enjoy their work.

Yeah it's not a bad album, it's pretty good in fact. There's a new remastered expanded edition from last year which I've got but not had a chance to listen to properly. I'll have to dig that one out.

[bluefox4000]

I think we can all objectively state that The Yes Album is brilliant! :haz:

 

my fav Yes album by leaps and bounds.

 

that's like a peice of pure perfection

 

Mick

[Entre_Perpetuo]

Another interesting thing about these two bands, Genesis almost always takes longer to pull me in, and is always more rewarding in the end. You see, the first Yes album I heard was The Yes Album, and it grabbed me immediately. It also instantly became my favorite Yes album, as none of the other ones I listened to quite topped it (CTTE of course coming as close as possible). The first Genesis album I heard was We Can't Dance, cuz it was in my parents' cd collection. I also loved this, but I never really cared to revisit it most of the time (probably because the second half is such a bore, as I later realized).

 

Later on curiosity would lead me to look into more Yes and more Genesis, though I was more interested in Yes as I knew I liked their proggy side, whereas all I'd really heard of Genesis was post Hackett. I believe my next albums by each band were Fragile and ...And Then There Were Three (I was curious about Genesis' proggy past, but wanted the safeguard of one song of theirs that I knew already). Fragile I instantly loved, though it didn't totally click like The Yes Album (be real, there's some filler in there, and I also prefer Perpetual Change to Heart of the Sunrise). ATTWT did basically nothing for me, just a bunch of drums and keyboards banging around without anything resembling a hook until the single at the end (I wasn't listening very closely if I recall). The thing was, as much as I found I loved Yes, Fragile wore off, while I still had this lingering curiosity about Genesis, and their mysterious first singer.

 

The next album in each camp was vitally important. CTTE, intentionally, and Nursery Cryme, on a whim (was cheap at the record store and my curiosity said Genesis... Not Yes). Close To The Edge I once again loved instantly, more so than Fragile, and I immediately understood I was listening to one of the all time greatest Prog albums. I would debate for a long time whether I preferred it to The Yes Album, but after such a time had passed that I got to know each album better, I realized CTTE, while magical and kind of perfect, had also managed to wear off on me a bit. There was something of a monotony in Yes' sound by that time (I think I'd also exposed myself to Tales and 90250 by then, Tales being the point), and they just didn't seem as personally affecting to me as I had imagined they could be, except for The Yes Album, which still rocked in every way. Nursery Cryme was an entirely different story. Much like attwt, my first Gabriel album initially seemed hookless and monotonous, nothing in particular that I cared to hear again. It also didn't help that the second side had a misprinted label for Foxtrot instead of Cryme so I had to look up the songs. I listened a bit more, having bought the record instead of just borrowing from the library like with the Yes albums (though I'd purchase a number of them), and a few things did start to catch on. Harold The Barrol was fun, and theatrically tragic, which I appreciated. The Musical Box had a guitar lead that sounded like the chorus of a Muse song, Hogweed and Seven Stones were pleasant on the ears, and Salmacis had some kind of earworm hook hidden in it that I grew to love. Now I still didn't care too much for this record, but this was my first real step in becoming a major Genesis fan.

 

My next Yes album was probably Union (dad found a record of it discarded at goodwill or something, wonder why), but it doesn't really factor in to my opinions here, so I'll move on to 90250. This was another record I immediately loved, with it's great hit singles and some good in between tracks. However, as I began to notice a pattern, it quickly wore off and I lost much interest in it. I still like it, I still think it's great, I'll still listen to it, but it lost my interest for repeat plays. On to Genesis, my next album was the highly recommended Foxtrot. Now, this one I checked out for, the library, so I wasn't likely to pay it as much attention as one I bought, but I fully intended to give it a listen in the car. Watcher Of The Skies was an immediate standout, as it doesn't take a big Genesis fan to appreciate some drama and dramatic buildup. Unfortunately, my naive and probably distracted ears didn't really comprehend the rest of the record. I read a bunch of the lyrics to Supper's Ready as it was playing, but being in the car it kind of faded in and out and I was never sure what was going on. I knew by this s point this was considered one of those ultimate records and SR was one of the ultimate songs, progress overly speaking, but I wasn't able to decipher what all the fuss was about.

 

(Somewhere in here I put on SEBTP on Spotify on vacation, but only noticed the entrancing synths, not really paying attention)

 

So then we hit the next record in each department, and this becomes a major turning and understanding point for Genesis. As for yes, my next album was Tales, and though I really loved the sound and melody at the start, it was too long and monotonous for me to get through before I returned it to the library. I would later return to find I still really enjoy that whole first epic, and the rest sounds pleasant enough. As for Genesis, my next album was, oddly enough, Wind And Wuthering. I was still increasingly curious about what I was missing with this band, and I spotted another one of those early, hitless records at the record store, so I grabbed it, dismissing the utterly awful cover art (or lack therof) for potential musical satisfaction. I believe the first time I put it on I was going to bed, and I discovered it was a great record to fall asleep to, with all those synth washes and lulabye melodies. Then I discovered that I'd actually made out those synth washes and lulabye melodies, that something in there was sticking (I think it was Your Own Special Way though) I revisited this album a number of times as I discovered it had a great opener, and a great ballad. This lead me to listen back to Cryme of course, where I discovered I really did like a lot of it, and The Musical Box started creeping out as a major standout. Suddenly I had a Genesis album that I liked to listen to, if only for the headspace it's synths soundscape brought me to.

 

Here my Genesis journey gets really recent and picks up a lot of speed, whereas Yes are stil just a great band I look into sometimes. After listening increasingly to Wind and Cryme, I decided based on my semi-recent interest (it might have been a few months) to look into Foxtrot again, figure out what I was missing. Well, as I remembered Watcher was a brilliant opener, but now I noticed how w elk they played with dynamics in it. The second song had an irresistable chorus hook that I liked. The third seemed fun and complex and once again had a great "chorus" type of hook. The fourth was interesting and had a great distorted bass pedal groove. The acoustic guitar piece was nice, and then there was Supper's Ready. Actually listening this time, I thought it very strange that it didn't have an epic intro like mist epics. It just kind of started going. As it went on I tried to follow the lyrics but got kind if hopelessly lost. I think I immediately loved Willow Farm, and Apocalypse in 9/8 seemed threatening and cool. Mostly I was confused about what it was about, so I did what I always do, I googled up some answers. Once I started reading about the song I couldn't stop. So where along the line I read Gabriel's story of the event which inspired the song and I was hooked. I listened again, this time with a head full of information that proved to be the key to unlocking this song for me. I suddenly realized how amazing it is, how epic it is, how it ran the spectrum of my emotions, how Gabriel was a genius, how Hackett could make his guitar cry, how Banks was astounding for playing that solo in a completely different time than the rythm section. Everything made sense, and then I watched avide I of them doing it live with Gabriel, and I realized I'd just discovered quite possibly my second favorite song ever. Genesis were now real contenders for becoming my fourth favorite band, permanently. I loved Foxtrot, I kept liking Wind And Wuthering, and I eventually figured out Nyrsery Cryme. I had to work hard to get there, but if was finally paying off big time.

 

Next Yes album was Going For The One. Interesting at first with the slightly more commercial sounds, but ultimately weaker than Fragile and not inspiring. Next Genesis album was Duke. Duke began a trend of 80s Genesis albums hooking me quick and hard. I loved it at first, though I still didn't quite get why Turn It On Again was a hit. A couple listens later, it was competing for my favorite 80s Genesis song with Behind The Lines, which spoke directly to my slightly love struck heart at the time (I was in the middle of the process which led me to ask a girl to prom). Duke was excellent, though a little monotonous, but it started solid, had a highlight in the middle, and ended solid, so I loved it. After this I revisited SEBTP by checking it out, and here I became confused. I liked it, but I didn't love it. Firth Of Fifth was kinda just okay. The Cinema Show seemed like a rehash of part of Supper's ready and some neat soloing. Dancing had an uncomfortable vocal start. Epping Forest was catchy but severely lacking flow and substance. I Know What I Like was catchy but too simple. More Fool Me was nice and pretty, but obviously not what the album was about, and the other two I couldn't quite differentiate from the songs surrounding them. I decided it was somehow sterile for me, or just lacking in the songwriting department and let it slip to the bottom if my rankings. Then something interesting happened. Some time after getting the s/t (which I lived loved loved and it didn't wear off) and ABACAB (which I loved loved and it only wore off a bit), I realized I'd been listening to England a bit more, I'd been craving it a bit more. It wasn't long before I decided to buy it outright from Amazon, and after spending months with it and sleeping to it, what was meh gradually became essential, with only Battle holding it back from perfect. Once again Gabriel's Genesis had to really grow on me, but it proved all the more worth it to now really love those albums and this band. Also in there was a lot of reading about Genesis and listening to solo Gabriel (So, mainly, as someone told me my promposal reminded them of a scene in a movie featuring In Your Eyes, which I then instantly loved).

 

 

 

 

 

Long story short, for me, Genesis is a career made for the long run, whereas Yes lack some repeatability.

 

:D

[bathory]

they're both about as good as each other in their heyday (71-74). as far as which group was better during their easy listening/generic pop phase, genesis wins. a lot of people here act like 70s Genesis is beefheart, but they've always relied on hooks and melodies, so they transitioned more easily when the 80s happened and suddenly your music video was more important than your music. in that sense, I might have to say genesis are better overall.

[bathory]

as far as 90125 goes, I'll say this. it's the yes album that most people bought, but it's also the yes album that you will find at every thrift store in america. two singles can't carry an album.

 

I do think it's more experimental than any 80s genesis, which deserves some credit. they made a pop album while still sounding original, whereas genesis during the 80s sounds more like stereotypical 80s pop to me

[RUSHHEAD666]

Another interesting thing about these two bands, Genesis almost always takes longer to pull me in, and is always more rewarding in the end. You see, the first Yes album I heard was The Yes Album, and it grabbed me immediately. It also instantly became my favorite Yes album, as none of the other ones I listened to quite topped it (CTTE of course coming as close as possible). The first Genesis album I heard was We Can't Dance, cuz it was in my parents' cd collection. I also loved this, but I never really cared to revisit it most of the time (probably because the second half is such a bore, as I later realized).

 

Later on curiosity would lead me to look into more Yes and more Genesis, though I was more interested in Yes as I knew I liked their proggy side, whereas all I'd really heard of Genesis was post Hackett. I believe my next albums by each band were Fragile and ...And Then There Were Three (I was curious about Genesis' proggy past, but wanted the safeguard of one song of theirs that I knew already). Fragile I instantly loved, though it didn't totally click like The Yes Album (be real, there's some filler in there, and I also prefer Perpetual Change to Heart of the Sunrise). ATTWT did basically nothing for me, just a bunch of drums and keyboards banging around without anything resembling a hook until the single at the end (I wasn't listening very closely if I recall). The thing was, as much as I found I loved Yes, Fragile wore off, while I still had this lingering curiosity about Genesis, and their mysterious first singer.

 

The next album in each camp was vitally important. CTTE, intentionally, and Nursery Cryme, on a whim (was cheap at the record store and my curiosity said Genesis... Not Yes). Close To The Edge I once again loved instantly, more so than Fragile, and I immediately understood I was listening to one of the all time greatest Prog albums. I would debate for a long time whether I preferred it to The Yes Album, but after such a time had passed that I got to know each album better, I realized CTTE, while magical and kind of perfect, had also managed to wear off on me a bit. There was something of a monotony in Yes' sound by that time (I think I'd also exposed myself to Tales and 90250 by then, Tales being the point), and they just didn't seem as personally affecting to me as I had imagined they could be, except for The Yes Album, which still rocked in every way. Nursery Cryme was an entirely different story. Much like attwt, my first Gabriel album initially seemed hookless and monotonous, nothing in particular that I cared to hear again. It also didn't help that the second side had a misprinted label for Foxtrot instead of Cryme so I had to look up the songs. I listened a bit more, having bought the record instead of just borrowing from the library like with the Yes albums (though I'd purchase a number of them), and a few things did start to catch on. Harold The Barrol was fun, and theatrically tragic, which I appreciated. The Musical Box had a guitar lead that sounded like the chorus of a Muse song, Hogweed and Seven Stones were pleasant on the ears, and Salmacis had some kind of earworm hook hidden in it that I grew to love. Now I still didn't care too much for this record, but this was my first real step in becoming a major Genesis fan.

 

My next Yes album was probably Union (dad found a record of it discarded at goodwill or something, wonder why), but it doesn't really factor in to my opinions here, so I'll move on to 90250. This was another record I immediately loved, with it's great hit singles and some good in between tracks. However, as I began to notice a pattern, it quickly wore off and I lost much interest in it. I still like it, I still think it's great, I'll still listen to it, but it lost my interest for repeat plays. On to Genesis, my next album was the highly recommended Foxtrot. Now, this one I checked out for, the library, so I wasn't likely to pay it as much attention as one I bought, but I fully intended to give it a listen in the car. Watcher Of The Skies was an immediate standout, as it doesn't take a big Genesis fan to appreciate some drama and dramatic buildup. Unfortunately, my naive and probably distracted ears didn't really comprehend the rest of the record. I read a bunch of the lyrics to Supper's Ready as it was playing, but being in the car it kind of faded in and out and I was never sure what was going on. I knew by this s point this was considered one of those ultimate records and SR was one of the ultimate songs, progress overly speaking, but I wasn't able to decipher what all the fuss was about.

 

(Somewhere in here I put on SEBTP on Spotify on vacation, but only noticed the entrancing synths, not really paying attention)

 

So then we hit the next record in each department, and this becomes a major turning and understanding point for Genesis. As for yes, my next album was Tales, and though I really loved the sound and melody at the start, it was too long and monotonous for me to get through before I returned it to the library. I would later return to find I still really enjoy that whole first epic, and the rest sounds pleasant enough. As for Genesis, my next album was, oddly enough, Wind And Wuthering. I was still increasingly curious about what I was missing with this band, and I spotted another one of those early, hitless records at the record store, so I grabbed it, dismissing the utterly awful cover art (or lack therof) for potential musical satisfaction. I believe the first time I put it on I was going to bed, and I discovered it was a great record to fall asleep to, with all those synth washes and lulabye melodies. Then I discovered that I'd actually made out those synth washes and lulabye melodies, that something in there was sticking (I think it was Your Own Special Way though) I revisited this album a number of times as I discovered it had a great opener, and a great ballad. This lead me to listen back to Cryme of course, where I discovered I really did like a lot of it, and The Musical Box started creeping out as a major standout. Suddenly I had a Genesis album that I liked to listen to, if only for the headspace it's synths soundscape brought me to.

 

Here my Genesis journey gets really recent and picks up a lot of speed, whereas Yes are stil just a great band I look into sometimes. After listening increasingly to Wind and Cryme, I decided based on my semi-recent interest (it might have been a few months) to look into Foxtrot again, figure out what I was missing. Well, as I remembered Watcher was a brilliant opener, but now I noticed how w elk they played with dynamics in it. The second song had an irresistable chorus hook that I liked. The third seemed fun and complex and once again had a great "chorus" type of hook. The fourth was interesting and had a great distorted bass pedal groove. The acoustic guitar piece was nice, and then there was Supper's Ready. Actually listening this time, I thought it very strange that it didn't have an epic intro like mist epics. It just kind of started going. As it went on I tried to follow the lyrics but got kind if hopelessly lost. I think I immediately loved Willow Farm, and Apocalypse in 9/8 seemed threatening and cool. Mostly I was confused about what it was about, so I did what I always do, I googled up some answers. Once I started reading about the song I couldn't stop. So where along the line I read Gabriel's story of the event which inspired the song and I was hooked. I listened again, this time with a head full of information that proved to be the key to unlocking this song for me. I suddenly realized how amazing it is, how epic it is, how it ran the spectrum of my emotions, how Gabriel was a genius, how Hackett could make his guitar cry, how Banks was astounding for playing that solo in a completely different time than the rythm section. Everything made sense, and then I watched avide I of them doing it live with Gabriel, and I realized I'd just discovered quite possibly my second favorite song ever. Genesis were now real contenders for becoming my fourth favorite band, permanently. I loved Foxtrot, I kept liking Wind And Wuthering, and I eventually figured out Nyrsery Cryme. I had to work hard to get there, but if was finally paying off big time.

 

Next Yes album was Going For The One. Interesting at first with the slightly more commercial sounds, but ultimately weaker than Fragile and not inspiring. Next Genesis album was Duke. Duke began a trend of 80s Genesis albums hooking me quick and hard. I loved it at first, though I still didn't quite get why Turn It On Again was a hit. A couple listens later, it was competing for my favorite 80s Genesis song with Behind The Lines, which spoke directly to my slightly love struck heart at the time (I was in the middle of the process which led me to ask a girl to prom). Duke was excellent, though a little monotonous, but it started solid, had a highlight in the middle, and ended solid, so I loved it. After this I revisited SEBTP by checking it out, and here I became confused. I liked it, but I didn't love it. Firth Of Fifth was kinda just okay. The Cinema Show seemed like a rehash of part of Supper's ready and some neat soloing. Dancing had an uncomfortable vocal start. Epping Forest was catchy but severely lacking flow and substance. I Know What I Like was catchy but too simple. More Fool Me was nice and pretty, but obviously not what the album was about, and the other two I couldn't quite differentiate from the songs surrounding them. I decided it was somehow sterile for me, or just lacking in the songwriting department and let it slip to the bottom if my rankings. Then something interesting happened. Some time after getting the s/t (which I lived loved loved and it didn't wear off) and ABACAB (which I loved loved and it only wore off a bit), I realized I'd been listening to England a bit more, I'd been craving it a bit more. It wasn't long before I decided to buy it outright from Amazon, and after spending months with it and sleeping to it, what was meh gradually became essential, with only Battle holding it back from perfect. Once again Gabriel's Genesis had to really grow on me, but it proved all the more worth it to now really love those albums and this band. Also in there was a lot of reading about Genesis and listening to solo Gabriel (So, mainly, as someone told me my promposal reminded them of a scene in a movie featuring In Your Eyes, which I then instantly loved).

 

 

 

 

 

Long story short, for me, Genesis is a career made for the long run, whereas Yes lack some repeatability.

 

:D

 

An amazing post.

 

Sorry we don't see eye to eye on Green Day. I wasn't angry. I just love ripping that horrific local band of crap.

 

 

I'm not an angry guy.

 

Just love to stir the pot.