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Posted 23 October 2016 - 09:45 AM

So it looks like the guys who supposedly had a incredibly large amount of pro shot footage from tours that we didn't get any DVD or album up until now are finally starting to release it. I'm sure everyone knows by now, but with the new R40 doc "Time Stand Still" comes extra pro shot footage from the PResto tour, entitled "Live From The Rabbit Hole." Any thoughts?

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 10:32 AM

I hope it is a low-gen or master of what has been running around, but I will believe it when I see it.

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Posted 25 October 2016 - 02:49 PM

It can't be worse that what we have seen on the Presto tour :


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Posted 25 October 2016 - 03:58 PM

 rugen, on 25 October 2016 - 02:49 PM, said:

It can't be worse that what we have seen on the Presto tour :


That was not even close to the worst. Available Light is what the some people are saying this extra stuff is supposed to be. There's no way rush would sell anything of that quality. It is not good, but contains one of their best sets of the tour. This vid is Mountain Views (or A View From The Mountain, I forget which one is which) and is waaaay better quality.

I can't stress enough that Rush has access to TONS of pro-shot footage that was always ready just in case they wanted to make a lconcert film. I would expect neither of those two boots to be the source of this new bonus content.

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Posted 25 October 2016 - 07:56 PM

I do think that low gen or masters of those would be a huge upgrade.

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 04:39 AM

View PostTFEman, on 23 October 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

Any thoughts?

I look forward to seeing it. :huh:

That's about all I've got.

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Posted 30 October 2016 - 04:25 PM

 78jazz, on 23 October 2016 - 10:32 AM, said:

I hope it is a low-gen or master of what has been running around, but I will believe it when I see it.

It would be nice if it was something different, but I kind of doubt that.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 05:14 PM

View Postrugen, on 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....)

I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview.

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 09:03 PM

 ytserush, on 04 November 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

 rugen, on 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....)

I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview.

You think so? I agree that in terms of wide shots and overall coverage and stuff it's better captured as a show but I've got both the Mountain View and Auburn Hills shows from 1990 and I think Mountain view is much cleaner audio and video-wise. That's why I was shocked to hear people say the bonus content comes from the Auburn Hills proshot. Bordercollie wrote elsewhere - "The Presto footage is indeed from the Auburn Hills March 8 show.  Sounded fantastic and looked much better than what has been floating around the internet/trading circles.  The played a montage of Red Barchetta through the years and there were brief audio/video clips from various releases, including the "new" Presto footage." But I haven't seen the doc yet so I'll be curious to see for myself.

Secondly, TFEman wrote above "I can't stress enough that Rush has access to TONS of pro-shot footage that was always ready just in case they wanted to make a lconcert film. I would expect neither of those two boots to be the source of this new bonus content." but I couldn't disagree more. While their live audio recordings are almost surely extensive I'm pretty sure their video library is virtually exhausted other than the remaining half of the Toronto TFE show. The only hope for any other proshot shows would be if somehow another venue filmed show leaked. I'm still holding out hope that the RTB tour was also fully filmed at Auburn Hills. There are so many proshot clips from throughout the show and the previous and following tours were both filmed there.

Other than that? We'd have to get really lucky that maybe one of the other venues like the Houston Summit that filmed often may have something in their vault. But that's about it. The ONLY other hope I see is more footage from shows we've already seen. For example, the Atlanta show in 2008 that the four bonus songs were pulled from. They obviously filmed more because there are several other different songs on Neil's own dvd that were filmed there. And then of course there's the slim hope that the remaining footage from the three 80s shows could be found and restored. I don't think we'll ever see any more of those though. But people who are just assuming that Rush has all these proshot shows just sitting in a vault are not realistic at all about that. I've heard people say things like "They should release a dvd from the Signals tour" or some other random thing as though they can just go back in time and film stuff. Filming a show is a major undertaking and is also almost impossible to do without people knowing. The idea that they set up (especially 20 or more years ago when there weren't even rearscreen cameras) and filmed shows that we don't know about is just fantasy.

So those are my thoughts...





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Posted 11 November 2016 - 09:53 PM

 snowdog2112, on 07 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

 ytserush, on 04 November 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

 rugen, on 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....)

I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview.

You think so? I agree that in terms of wide shots and overall coverage and stuff it's better captured as a show but I've got both the Mountain View and Auburn Hills shows from 1990 and I think Mountain view is much cleaner audio and video-wise. That's why I was shocked to hear people say the bonus content comes from the Auburn Hills proshot. Bordercollie wrote elsewhere - "The Presto footage is indeed from the Auburn Hills March 8 show.  Sounded fantastic and looked much better than what has been floating around the internet/trading circles.  The played a montage of Red Barchetta through the years and there were brief audio/video clips from various releases, including the "new" Presto footage." But I haven't seen the doc yet so I'll be curious to see for myself.



That may be true, but the footage from the doc seems to indicate it's from Auburn Hills because the clothes they are wearing in those clips match the Detroit show.

I'm not 100 percent sure on this but I think Auburn Hills may have been a pay-per-view show which would make it more likely that the band would have a copy of it.

But then the question becomes: Why not release the whole thing? (I have to admit this is my least favorite tour probably ever, so I would just rather hear the Presto songs and maybe a few other good performances of the oldies.)

I think the Mountain View performance is better than Auburn Hills myself, but  they may not have a copy of that.

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 12:52 PM

View Postytserush, on 11 November 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

View Postsnowdog2112, on 07 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

View Postytserush, on 04 November 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

View Postrugen, on 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....)

I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview.

You think so? I agree that in terms of wide shots and overall coverage and stuff it's better captured as a show but I've got both the Mountain View and Auburn Hills shows from 1990 and I think Mountain view is much cleaner audio and video-wise. That's why I was shocked to hear people say the bonus content comes from the Auburn Hills proshot. Bordercollie wrote elsewhere - "The Presto footage is indeed from the Auburn Hills March 8 show.  Sounded fantastic and looked much better than what has been floating around the internet/trading circles.  The played a montage of Red Barchetta through the years and there were brief audio/video clips from various releases, including the "new" Presto footage." But I haven't seen the doc yet so I'll be curious to see for myself.



That may be true, but the footage from the doc seems to indicate it's from Auburn Hills because the clothes they are wearing in those clips match the Detroit show.

I'm not 100 percent sure on this but I think Auburn Hills may have been a pay-per-view show which would make it more likely that the band would have a copy of it.

But then the question becomes: Why not release the whole thing? (I have to admit this is my least favorite tour probably ever, so I would just rather hear the Presto songs and maybe a few other good performances of the oldies.)

I think the Mountain View performance is better than Auburn Hills myself, but  they may not have a copy of that.

Oh, I'm not arguing the source, I'm sure it's Auburn Hills. My "You think so?" was about your last sentence that Auburn Hills is better visually than MV.

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 01:35 PM

View Postsnowdog2112, on 07 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

View Postytserush, on 04 November 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

View Postrugen, on 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....)

I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview.

You think so? I agree that in terms of wide shots and overall coverage and stuff it's better captured as a show but I've got both the Mountain View and Auburn Hills shows from 1990 and I think Mountain view is much cleaner audio and video-wise. That's why I was shocked to hear people say the bonus content comes from the Auburn Hills proshot. Bordercollie wrote elsewhere - "The Presto footage is indeed from the Auburn Hills March 8 show.  Sounded fantastic and looked much better than what has been floating around the internet/trading circles.  The played a montage of Red Barchetta through the years and there were brief audio/video clips from various releases, including the "new" Presto footage." But I haven't seen the doc yet so I'll be curious to see for myself.

Secondly, TFEman wrote above "I can't stress enough that Rush has access to TONS of pro-shot footage that was always ready just in case they wanted to make a lconcert film. I would expect neither of those two boots to be the source of this new bonus content." but I couldn't disagree more. While their live audio recordings are almost surely extensive I'm pretty sure their video library is virtually exhausted other than the remaining half of the Toronto TFE show. The only hope for any other proshot shows would be if somehow another venue filmed show leaked. I'm still holding out hope that the RTB tour was also fully filmed at Auburn Hills. There are so many proshot clips from throughout the show and the previous and following tours were both filmed there.

Other than that? We'd have to get really lucky that maybe one of the other venues like the Houston Summit that filmed often may have something in their vault. But that's about it. The ONLY other hope I see is more footage from shows we've already seen. For example, the Atlanta show in 2008 that the four bonus songs were pulled from. They obviously filmed more because there are several other different songs on Neil's own dvd that were filmed there. And then of course there's the slim hope that the remaining footage from the three 80s shows could be found and restored. I don't think we'll ever see any more of those though. But people who are just assuming that Rush has all these proshot shows just sitting in a vault are not realistic at all about that. I've heard people say things like "They should release a dvd from the Signals tour" or some other random thing as though they can just go back in time and film stuff. Filming a show is a major undertaking and is also almost impossible to do without people knowing. The idea that they set up (especially 20 or more years ago when there weren't even rearscreen cameras) and filmed shows that we don't know about is just fantasy.

So those are my thoughts...
I said that because I was told that by someone that the band supposedly sits on a lot of footage from a couple of tours. I never said I believe it, or that I know 100% for a fact. It was also kind-of an assumption, considering how on almost all of their live albums before R30, they have bonus tracks from different dates during the tour, or in the case of Different Stages, different dates from an entirely different tour.

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 08:18 PM

View PostTFEman, on 12 November 2016 - 01:35 PM, said:

View Postsnowdog2112, on 07 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

View Postytserush, on 04 November 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

View Postrugen, on 04 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

So it's going to be the show at auburn hills march 8th already available in You Tub, just frustrating that it's not the complete show.

That's where the clips from the doc appear to be from. The quality doesn't look that much better than the low-gen stuff that's already out there, but at least there's an official release. It would have made sense to release the whole show (which I'm sure will happen in the future based on the past several years. Laura Secord.... Capitol Theatre....)

I can't remember if I have the Palace DVD or not, but I have the whole show on video. Visually, the 3/8/90 Detroit show is better than Mountainview.

You think so? I agree that in terms of wide shots and overall coverage and stuff it's better captured as a show but I've got both the Mountain View and Auburn Hills shows from 1990 and I think Mountain view is much cleaner audio and video-wise. That's why I was shocked to hear people say the bonus content comes from the Auburn Hills proshot. Bordercollie wrote elsewhere - "The Presto footage is indeed from the Auburn Hills March 8 show.  Sounded fantastic and looked much better than what has been floating around the internet/trading circles.  The played a montage of Red Barchetta through the years and there were brief audio/video clips from various releases, including the "new" Presto footage." But I haven't seen the doc yet so I'll be curious to see for myself.

Secondly, TFEman wrote above "I can't stress enough that Rush has access to TONS of pro-shot footage that was always ready just in case they wanted to make a lconcert film. I would expect neither of those two boots to be the source of this new bonus content." but I couldn't disagree more. While their live audio recordings are almost surely extensive I'm pretty sure their video library is virtually exhausted other than the remaining half of the Toronto TFE show. The only hope for any other proshot shows would be if somehow another venue filmed show leaked. I'm still holding out hope that the RTB tour was also fully filmed at Auburn Hills. There are so many proshot clips from throughout the show and the previous and following tours were both filmed there.

Other than that? We'd have to get really lucky that maybe one of the other venues like the Houston Summit that filmed often may have something in their vault. But that's about it. The ONLY other hope I see is more footage from shows we've already seen. For example, the Atlanta show in 2008 that the four bonus songs were pulled from. They obviously filmed more because there are several other different songs on Neil's own dvd that were filmed there. And then of course there's the slim hope that the remaining footage from the three 80s shows could be found and restored. I don't think we'll ever see any more of those though. But people who are just assuming that Rush has all these proshot shows just sitting in a vault are not realistic at all about that. I've heard people say things like "They should release a dvd from the Signals tour" or some other random thing as though they can just go back in time and film stuff. Filming a show is a major undertaking and is also almost impossible to do without people knowing. The idea that they set up (especially 20 or more years ago when there weren't even rearscreen cameras) and filmed shows that we don't know about is just fantasy.

So those are my thoughts...
I said that because I was told that by someone that the band supposedly sits on a lot of footage from a couple of tours. I never said I believe it, or that I know 100% for a fact. It was also kind-of an assumption, considering how on almost all of their live albums before R30, they have bonus tracks from different dates during the tour, or in the case of Different Stages, different dates from an entirely different tour.

Well like I said, they definitely have tons of professionally recorded audio, there's no question about that. We know at a minimum they recorded a bunch on the Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Counterparts, and Test For Echo tours. Hearing tracks in recent years like from Edmonton in 1981 is exciting knowing we could potentially be hearing a lot more. That clip sounds better than anything on ESL in my opinion (audio-wise). I think we'll certainly get more archive releases from time to time, and I think we'll get the full Toronto 1997 show on dvd. So I'm not being doom and gloom. But I wouldn't expect much more in the way of pro shot video unless like I said, another venue filmed show leaks. I'd love to be proven wrong though!

And I'm really excited about getting to hear more tracks recorded for the ATWAS album. I never would have thought that would happen. They also edited out some of the 1978 show on Different Stages. So we know that have a lot more audio.

Edited by snowdog2112, 12 November 2016 - 08:21 PM.


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Posted 13 November 2016 - 09:56 PM

I know 100% that the footage that will be released as an extra on Time Stand Still will be great. The bootlegs of the show on the internet are very high gen, I remember reading it was 9th gen. I'm very sure Rush has the original master tapes or 2nd gen tapes and that's what we'll be getting. I'm not worried about the audio quality, the video quality might not be amazing. I'm sure when we get it, it will be just as good as any other official live release.

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Posted 13 November 2016 - 10:06 PM

View PostRangerXT, on 13 November 2016 - 09:56 PM, said:

I know 100% that the footage that will be released as an extra on Time Stand Still will be great. The bootlegs of the show on the internet are very high gen, I remember reading it was 9th gen. I'm very sure Rush has the original master tapes or 2nd gen tapes and that's what we'll be getting. I'm not worried about the audio quality, the video quality might not be amazing. I'm sure when we get it, it will be just as good as any other official live release.

I sure hope you're right...

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 07:47 PM

 snowdog2112, on 13 November 2016 - 10:06 PM, said:

 RangerXT, on 13 November 2016 - 09:56 PM, said:

I know 100% that the footage that will be released as an extra on Time Stand Still will be great. The bootlegs of the show on the internet are very high gen, I remember reading it was 9th gen. I'm very sure Rush has the original master tapes or 2nd gen tapes and that's what we'll be getting. I'm not worried about the audio quality, the video quality might not be amazing. I'm sure when we get it, it will be just as good as any other official live release.

I sure hope you're right...

I was :)

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 10:27 PM

Yes, you were! :)

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 10:28 PM

I'm watching it right now. :)

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 11:44 AM

I pre-ordered it so it's still shipping right now. From what I hear, it is so much better than the bootleg version.



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