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Posted 13 April 2017 - 05:22 AM

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One of his greatest indiscretions came at the Masters a couple of years ago, completely innocent and unintentional.

Alliss was commentating and his fellow commentator at the time was Sam Torrance.

Tiger Woods was playing with Phil Mickelson and Phil duffed it out of the bunker.

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 09:58 PM

I am guessing we have seen the last of the Rush tours but maybe not the last of their live performances.  I would not be surprised to see non-headlining short appearances with other bands.

Certainly we will see more live perfomances from Alex and Geddy.

I have had a wish for a long time that someday I would walk into a bar and see a jazz trio with A, N and G

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 01:01 PM

View Posttomhealey, on 30 August 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

I don't have answers to these questions.....  

The answer to your question is right in front of you.

If any other person - someone you have never met - chose to retire after 40+ years of dedicated work, you would not be asking all these strange questions.  You wouldn't be questioning the person at all.  You would respect his/her decision, right?

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 01:36 AM

I have loved Rush constantly since hearing them in October of 1977 when my late, great Mom got one of my older brothers A Farewell To Kings. At first, I could not stand it, but it grew on me and within weeks I loved it!

Without making this too long, I have all their albums (not including the compilations) and have seen them 21 times. I saw them EVERY chance that I had (even when they played the same venue 2 nights in a row).

They have all been tremendous influences on me as a musician and as a person. I will love them forever.

However! It is time for Rush to stop. Not just touring, but everything! No more albums, no more videos, no more tours, no more books...nothing.

They KNOW it is time to stop while they are ahead. As Rush! Neil especially does not want himself, nor the band, to stop because they have to or they just cannot do it anymore at their own extremely high self-expectation levels. Just read the lyrics to Losing It and it's all there. Read Neil's Modern Drummer interview from April 1983 and you will understand why the band must stop and has stopped. It all makes sense and is all right there. Just see R40 and it is all there. The band is being extremely honest with the world.

Would any of us really want Rush to carry on trying to be what they once were and once could be? Would any of us really want anyone else in the world "taking the place" of Alex, Geddy or Neil?! I know that I certainly never would. There are tons of bands who I still love who have had a few or several personal changes and have been around for years and/or broke up and reunited with different members (or in some cases one original member) and it is still great, but they are not Rush!

It is my feeling that we will be hearing and seeing Alex and Geddy in different bands and/or projects; most probably separately, or perhaps guesting on one another's solo albums occasionally. I do not have either of the Victor albums, but I do have My Favorite Headache and I absolutely love it. It gives us a preview of what Geddy is more than capable of outside of Rush. As for Neil, I think he is done with drumming and music, outside of it being an occasional hobby, as it should be for him. I cannot think of any other musician who is self-honest enough to know when it is time to stop doing music professionally because he wants to and wants to do other things in his life. Neil has given the world more than enough.

Rush has made a perfect finish and we as their loving and loyal fans should respect that.

Edited by Earthshine, 22 May 2017 - 01:40 AM.


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 01:38 PM

maybe if they get a 500 million offer like led zeppelin got a few years ago but was torn up by plant,short of that,they will never tour again.they may have a special 50 year show,but they will be into their early 70s by then,dont count on it.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:35 PM

View Postworkingthemangels63, on 23 May 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

maybe if they get a 500 million offer like led zeppelin got a few years ago but was torn up by plant,short of that,they will never tour again.they may have a special 50 year show,but they will be into their early 70s by then,dont count on it.

Offered by whom? And why was it torn up?

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:23 AM

View PostEarthshine, on 24 May 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

View Postworkingthemangels63, on 23 May 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

maybe if they get a 500 million offer like led zeppelin got a few years ago but was torn up by plant,short of that,they will never tour again.they may have a special 50 year show,but they will be into their early 70s by then,dont count on it.

Offered by whom? And why was it torn up?
offered after the reunion show .by a group of tour promoters,plant tore it up,said he was not gonna ever tour under the led zeppelin name ever. pink floyd got a similar offer after their 5 song reunion,also turned down by all 4 guys.
i would bet if they got offered that,tickets for bad seats would have been a grand each,no telling how much a front row seat would be.back in both heydays,would have been worth it,now that they are older men,it could
never be worth it.

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:31 AM

View PostEarthshine, on 22 May 2017 - 01:36 AM, said:

I have loved Rush constantly since hearing them in October of 1977 when my late, great Mom got one of my older brothers A Farewell To Kings. At first, I could not stand it, but it grew on me and within weeks I loved it!

Without making this too long, I have all their albums (not including the compilations) and have seen them 21 times. I saw them EVERY chance that I had (even when they played the same venue 2 nights in a row).

They have all been tremendous influences on me as a musician and as a person. I will love them forever.

However! It is time for Rush to stop. Not just touring, but everything! No more albums, no more videos, no more tours, no more books...nothing.

They KNOW it is time to stop while they are ahead. As Rush! Neil especially does not want himself, nor the band, to stop because they have to or they just cannot do it anymore at their own extremely high self-expectation levels. Just read the lyrics to Losing It and it's all there. Read Neil's Modern Drummer interview from April 1983 and you will understand why the band must stop and has stopped. It all makes sense and is all right there. Just see R40 and it is all there. The band is being extremely honest with the world.

Would any of us really want Rush to carry on trying to be what they once were and once could be? Would any of us really want anyone else in the world "taking the place" of Alex, Geddy or Neil?! I know that I certainly never would. There are tons of bands who I still love who have had a few or several personal changes and have been around for years and/or broke up and reunited with different members (or in some cases one original member) and it is still great, but they are not Rush!

It is my feeling that we will be hearing and seeing Alex and Geddy in different bands and/or projects; most probably separately, or perhaps guesting on one another's solo albums occasionally. I do not have either of the Victor albums, but I do have My Favorite Headache and I absolutely love it. It gives us a preview of what Geddy is more than capable of outside of Rush. As for Neil, I think he is done with drumming and music, outside of it being an occasional hobby, as it should be for him. I cannot think of any other musician who is self-honest enough to know when it is time to stop doing music professionally because he wants to and wants to do other things in his life. Neil has given the world more than enough.

Rush has made a perfect finish and we as their loving and loyal fans should respect that.
could not be spoken or said any better.

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:42 PM

To use terms such as "Neil has given the world more than enough" is pablum. As he has stated many, many times: they make the music they enjoy for themselves and if others like it then all the better.

Great artists do as such: create what they like and if we like it too then great. If not great.

He's not "given" anything. He played to satisfy himself and his band mates. That we enjoyed his music is all well and good.

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Posted 15 June 2017 - 03:22 PM

unless it is a one show shot for the 50th anniversary of rush,they will never tour or even play live together again.

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 04:07 PM

My 2 cents... I honestly think the most important reason in regards to Neil's reluctance to continue working is simply his family's well being. All three guys followed their careers as musicians to the fullest, for over 40 years. They toured endlessly, they worked endlessly, and they were away from their families for much longer than they were with them. They all paid a price for that, even if they don't talk about it that much. Especially Neil... not only did he have to live with the guilt and pain of being away from his first wife and daughter for most of their years, but imagine how amplified that pain and guilt was after they passed. Knowing how dedicated and serious Neil is when it comes to making decisions, I honestly believe that he simply drew the line when it came to the band, and working. He has a new wife, a new daughter, and he doesn't want to make the same mistake again. (if it can be called a mistake) He wants to give his new wife and daughter the time and presence that he didn't completely give to his previous wife and daughter. And who can blame him for that? I sure don't. ( I feel guilty even bringing that topic up... out of respect for Neil, because we all know it's not something that he would ever talk about. But it's pertinent in this discussion.) And sure, there are also the other reasons, like age, diminishing abilities, and physical ailments. That said, they gave us over 40 years of blood, sweat, and tears... and we gave them our support and loyalty. I don't know if there has ever been a better relationship between a Band and its Fans. I'm sad that they may never tour again, or make new music again... but I completely respect their reasons and their choices. I can't help but wish them nothing but happiness and joy... just like they have given us... but I do hold on to the hope that they might still give us some new music.

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View Posttomhealey, on 30 August 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

So, why does Rush, or any band, go out on tour?  I am not, nor have I ever been, either a musician or a psychologist, but as far as I can imagine, touring is driven by some combination of rewards of money and ego, counterbalanced against things like personal inconvenience, physical ability, etc., and weighed against the same balance for alternative sources of providing money and feeding ego.  It's also possible that a sense of loyalty, to a band member's band mates, if not the fans, also plays a role, although I think that fits into the ego aspect.  Are the rewards for touring the best direction for satisfying these human desires?  Do the negatives outweigh the positives?  Are there alternative means of securing income without incurring the same costs?  Can ego find any other high to match audience accolades?  Are valued friendships lost through a desire to cease touring, or leaving a band? These are the types of things that I think would go into such an assessment.  Each day, all of us make similar decisions, regarding such things as food, leisure activities, and work choices, driven by the same imperatives of money and ego, although likely both the money and ego angles come in at much lower levels.  
   From what we've been able to see, the balancing for Neil clearly weighs against touring.  Perhaps money is less of an imperative at this stage in life, perhaps ego is fed more by daily interaction with Olivia, and perhaps, as I believe, his ebbing abilities have truly made him concerned about playing on stage like "the guy that used to be Neil Peart."  Again, ego.
   So, those of you hoping for future live shows because somehow they owe us, or they didn't play where you wish they'd played, or you didn't like the last setlist, are out of luck, as I don't think those things, in their literal sense, have any role in the balance described above, except to the extent that they impact money and/or ego.
   What sort of things might actually tip the balance toward more live shows for Rush?  Again, I think you should focus on money and ego, the two presumed drivers for this activity.  If bands were allowed to auction off seats, at least in the first twenty rows, that would put more money into the band's pocket that currently goes to unrelated entities through Stubhub, etc.  Auctions would increase the money reward for touring, which might adjust the balancing.  Or if Olivia expressed an interests in having more adult memories of her father playing on stage, that too, might tip the balance.  What if Neil got to a place mentally where he felt that by not playing live, he was depriving future drummers of inspiration?   Would things like that be enough to overcome Neil's inertia?  Will Neil continue to balance these factors over the next few years?
   I don't have answers to these questions, of course, only Neil does.  But I was thinking about them this morning, and thought I'd see if others had any thoughts on the subject.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:11 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 11 September 2017 - 02:00 PM, said:

View Posttomhealey, on 30 August 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

So, why does Rush, or any band, go out on tour?  I am not, nor have I ever been, either a musician or a psychologist, but as far as I can imagine, touring is driven by some combination of rewards of money and ego, counterbalanced against things like personal inconvenience, physical ability, etc., and weighed against the same balance for alternative sources of providing money and feeding ego.  It's also possible that a sense of loyalty, to a band member's band mates, if not the fans, also plays a role, although I think that fits into the ego aspect.  Are the rewards for touring the best direction for satisfying these human desires?  Do the negatives outweigh the positives?  Are there alternative means of securing income without incurring the same costs?  Can ego find any other high to match audience accolades?  Are valued friendships lost through a desire to cease touring, or leaving a band? These are the types of things that I think would go into such an assessment.  Each day, all of us make similar decisions, regarding such things as food, leisure activities, and work choices, driven by the same imperatives of money and ego, although likely both the money and ego angles come in at much lower levels.  
   From what we've been able to see, the balancing for Neil clearly weighs against touring.  Perhaps money is less of an imperative at this stage in life, perhaps ego is fed more by daily interaction with Olivia, and perhaps, as I believe, his ebbing abilities have truly made him concerned about playing on stage like "the guy that used to be Neil Peart."  Again, ego.
   So, those of you hoping for future live shows because somehow they owe us, or they didn't play where you wish they'd played, or you didn't like the last setlist, are out of luck, as I don't think those things, in their literal sense, have any role in the balance described above, except to the extent that they impact money and/or ego.
   What sort of things might actually tip the balance toward more live shows for Rush?  Again, I think you should focus on money and ego, the two presumed drivers for this activity.  If bands were allowed to auction off seats, at least in the first twenty rows, that would put more money into the band's pocket that currently goes to unrelated entities through Stubhub, etc.  Auctions would increase the money reward for touring, which might adjust the balancing.  Or if Olivia expressed an interests in having more adult memories of her father playing on stage, that too, might tip the balance.  What if Neil got to a place mentally where he felt that by not playing live, he was depriving future drummers of inspiration?   Would things like that be enough to overcome Neil's inertia?  Will Neil continue to balance these factors over the next few years?
   I don't have answers to these questions, of course, only Neil does.  But I was thinking about them this morning, and thought I'd see if others had any thoughts on the subject.
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